Mackie DL1608 Digital Mixer

After posting about the Roland M-480 console and M-48 personal mixers I got to thinking about other personal mixing options.  Mackie recently announced a pretty cool little mixer that could easily be a personal mixing system.

The Mackie DL1608 is a small, 16 input, 8 output (stereo main and 6 aux’s), digital mixer.  The control surface is actually an iPad running their software.  If you want to check the FOH mix from other parts of the room you simply take the iPad out of the mixer and you can wirelessly tweak levels, dynamics, and EQ.

Now at a glance you might think, yeah, but iPads are expensive!  Granted they start at $500 and you’ll need one for each person that is running a mix.  But an Aviom mixer is about $450 street price and it’s only a mixer.  The iPad at $500 is reasonably priced and now you can use it for other stuff throughout the week.  For those on stage once your mix is dialed in close the Mackie app and use the Planning Center app or ProPresenter app to control or keep track of other things.

You can connect up to 10 iPads to the console using a standard wireless router.  So you could mix FOH with on iPad and assign 1 aux to each band member, give them each an iPad, and let them control everything themselves.  I could see this being perfect for a traveling band or a church that needs to set up and break down every week in a rented venue.  Get a split into the console, hand out some iPads, send the mixer outputs to wired or wireless in-ears, and you’re set up without a lot of work.

Lastly the Mackie DL1608 is pretty reasonably priced, $999 at Sweetwater, maybe less through your local Mackie dealer.  While I have not heard it myself, traditionally Mackie digital console work well and sound pretty good.  We have had both the digital 8 bus and digital x bus consoles in the past and both sounded good.  Granted the DXBus had build issues but those have surely been addresses in the DL1608.

At $999, and with the ability to return it if you had a problem or didn’t like it, there’s not a lot of risk here.

Roland M-480 Digital Console And M-48 Personal Mixers

We have a new campus coming online and it’s in need of a console and monitoring system.  I light of that we have been demoing a Roland M-480 digital console along with Roland’s personal mixers.  It’s a pretty nice package and we have decided to go with it for our new campus.

Keeping with the whole Roland family the M-480 serves as the master control for FOH mixing and setup of the M-48 personal mixers.  Audio routing is all done through their REAC digital snake system over standard CAT6 cabling.  You have a couple of different digital snake head options to pick from.  For our demo we had a 16 x 8, they also have a 32 x 8 and 40 input versions.

The Roland M-480 is a great small format digital console.  Pretty easy to use and smartly laid out.  Instead of a touchscreen you have lots of buttons on the control surface to access what you need.  The EQ and dynamics are all very useable.  The faders are laid out in several layers including one layer that you can customize the layout to suit your preferences.

The M-48 personal mixers are pretty incredible.  What makes these unique is that once they’re on the network you can feed the console any channel (up to 40) to any channel.  The 16 channels can be 16 individual inputs, 16 groups of inputs, or any combination.

This opens up a world of flexibility.  Each mixer can be customized for each user.  So the drummer could have the drums laid out with all discrete inputs then have a sub-mix of vocals on one channel.  Then the vocals could have discrete control of vocal channels with drums on one channel, band on one, etc.  Even when you group things to one knob you still can have everything panned within that group.  A stereo group also only takes up one knob so you could have 16 stereo groups if you wanted to.  Other systems you lose mixer channels when you go stereo.

Now everyone can have exactly what they want.  No more sharing one set of 16 channels for everyone on stage like you would be stuck with in other systems.  Once you decide what you want to send to what mixer you can apply EQ, pan, and reverb to each channel.

You also get a lot of other features with the mixers including a built in ambience mic.  That’s great for band members that don’t have vocal mics.  Now you can talk to each other without having to pull ears in and out.  There’s also a line input to add another source to rehearse from or a local input like a click track that doesn’t need to go to the house.

Setup of the personal mixers can be done through standalone software if you don’t have a Roland digital console.  If you have a console like the M-480 then everything can be done through the console, pretty nice.

Whether you just want the M-480 console, or the M-48 personal mixers, you need the REAC snake system either way.  This makes it a little more expensive if you only want a personal mixing system.  But if you get the console and the personal mixers now it’s a more reasonable package and everything plays nice together.

If you’re in the market for a system like this definitely give the Roland gear a look.  So far we have been happy with everything and the service has been good when we’ve had questions.

Links… M-480 digital console M-48 personal mixers

Live Digital Audio Consoles

We currently have an aging Soundcraft Series Five audio console.  It’s been a warhorse, providing over 14 years of high quality analog audio.  But it’s getting cranky in it’s old age so we’re looking into a new option.  We also do enough different events in our sanctuary where we will really benefit from the recall that comes with a digital console.

This has been a long process. For about 8 months now we’ve been researching and looking at different consoles.  We’ve tried to stay open minded and give everything a look.  Since our current console is still working (mostly) we’re taking our time to make sure we make the right decision.  This will be something we have to live with for the next 10 years.

So far we have looked at digital consoles from Avid, Yamaha, Soundcraft, Studer, Midas, and Digico, probably more, ha ha.  All have pros and cons and slightly different methods of laying out the console and how features work.  They also vary greatly in price so that’s something else we’re looking at in addition to the features.

At this point it looks like it’s down to two options.  The Studer Vista 9 and the Digico SD7.  Both are flagship consoles for their brands and both are around the same price point.  They can handle a large number of channels, more than we’ll need.  Both have an option for Waves plugins.  There’s tons of auxes, groups, DCA’s, matrix channels, both could handle whatever we want to do for the foreseeable future.

The real difference, like with most of these consoles, is how they’re laid out and how you access channels, features, and layers.  Both are pretty flexible, pretty much any channel can be placed anywhere on any layer.  You really need this flexibility in a large console to make it fit your mixing style and feel like you know where everything is.

The Studer is a little more traditional in it’s layout.  Channels are in 10 fader blocks and there’s 10 faders in the master section for DCA’s and groups.  In each channel bucket there’s a screen with lots of knobs on the screens for tweaking EQ’s, aux’s, dynamics, all the channel features.  The knobs right on the screens makes it easy to know what you’re adjusting.

Switching between layers is done in a traditional way, pressing a button takes you through each layer.  There’s a unique feature that shifts you towards the next layer 10 channels at a time.  That is kinda cool but pretty limited as to when you can use it.  But since you can customize what is on each layer you’ll build what you want that way instead of shifting things.

The thing I like least about the Studer is that the master section is only 10 faders.  I’m used to our Soundcraft which has 8 groups and 10 VCA’s right in front of you at the master section.  Having 18 faders means you don’t have to move around the console very much for level changes.  With the Studer you have tons of groups and DCA’s but you access them through layers and only 10 faders in front of you at a time.  You can use the knobs above the faders for controlling things but I hate mixing on knobs.  That’s only ok to for aux masters or something you don’t access much.

It’s not practical to me to switch layers in order to use groups and DCA’s at the same time, i’ll just end up using one or the other.  The only way to have both in front of you at once is to eat up some of the channel faders next to the master section and put the groups or DCA’s there.  That would work but it’s not ideal.  You could have that bank of 10 faders be half groups and half DCA’s and that would work but with our setup that’s not enough faders to do what we usually do.

The Digico SD7 gives you a lot of faders in a relatively small footprint.  You get 12 faders on each side of hte master section for accessing channels.  In the master section you get two rows of 12 faders for groups and DCA’s plus 4 more for masters and matrix outputs.  That’s the default setup, anything can be put anywhere you want.

The SD7 layout seems the most flexible to me. When you change layers you do it in each of left, center, right, sections separately.  So you can access whatever channels you want in the left bank while leaving you’re money faders ready in the right bank.  You also get 18 layers (three banks of six) in the left and right banks and 12 layers (three banks of 4) in the master section.  On the one hand that seems like a lot but on the other it lets you build the layers however you want.

On the demo console I set up one layer bank with each of the channels in order like a normal console would be laid out.  Then on the next layer bank I grouped the mix down into sections.  For example drums, guitars, keys, vocals, wireless, and playback channels.  Now I’m not worrying about what channel is where.  If I need to raise the snare I go to the drum group and tweak the snare.  Because you have 18 layer to play with you have options like that.

Having 28 faders in front of me in the master section is great.  I can mix with both groups and DCA’s in front of me at the same time with 12 faders for each.  The remaining 4 faders for the masters and matrix outputs can be changed to “money” channels like the Pastor’s mic so you always have it without changing layers.  That makes more sense for me than needing a matrix output fader.  For getting into the menus and accessing the Waves plugins you do everything from the screen in front of you instead of a secondary computer like the Studer.  Not a huge deal but it’s nice, keeps you in front of the console rather than away from the desk to make changes.

The rest of the differences are just preferences really.  Software things to learn more than right or wrong.  While we have demo’d both separately will will be getting both again, hopefully at the same time, and setting them up in our sanctuary and putting them through their paces with a live band.  So far we have only tested them with pre-recorded stuff and local monitors, not real bands through the house system.  Check back and see what we get!